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River Ave. Blues » Gerrit Cole

Astros trade for Gerrit Cole (for real this time)

January 13, 2018 by Mike Leave a Comment

(Kirk Irwin/Getty)

10:20pm ET: Jerry Crasnick says the Yankees made Torres, Andujar, Justus Sheffield, and Estevan Florial off-limits during trade talks with the Pirates. They were willing to trade Frazier or Chance Adams for Cole, but not both.

7:12pm ET: According to multiple reports, the Astros have traded for Gerrit Cole. For real this time. Headed the other way are right-handers Joe Musgrove and Michael Feliz, and prospects Colin Moran and Jason Martin. Musgrove and Feliz are big league relievers who might be able to start. MLB.com ranks Moran and Martin as the No. 5 and 15 prospects in Houston’s system, respectively.

The Yankees had been connected to Cole for weeks, but the Pirates reportedly insisted on Gleyber Torres, and that was never going to happen. Brian Cashman & Co. wanted to build a package around Clint Frazier which, as J.J. Cooper noted, would’ve been better than what Pittsburgh actually got from the Astros. Jon Heyman says the Pirates wanted Miguel Andujar as well, and the two sides were never close to a deal.

With Cole off the board, the Yankees figure to move on to other pitcher trade targets, such as Michael Fulmer, Chris Archer, or Patrick Corbin. They’ve been connected to all those guys this offseason. Clearly the Yankees want a potential impact pitcher, not just a depth arm. That said, they have five starters already, plus some nice depth arms, so another pitcher isn’t imperative.

Filed Under: News Tagged With: Chance Adams, Clint Frazier, Estevan Florial, Gerrit Cole, Gleyber Torres, Houston Astros, Justus Sheffield, Miguel Andujar, Pittsburgh Pirates

Yankees reportedly “shut down” trade talks with Pirates about Gerrit Cole as posturing heats up

January 10, 2018 by Mike Leave a Comment

(Justin Berl/Getty)

Despite rumors to the contrary, right-hander Gerrit Cole remains a member of the Pittsburgh Pirates. That could change at any moment! But this morning it seemed like he was heading to the Astros, then he wasn’t. Last month it appeared Cole was coming to the Yankees, but then he wasn’t. It’s been an interesting few weeks.

Soon after the Astros stuff happened this morning, George King reported the Yankees have “shut down” trade talks with the Pirates about Cole. I’m not sure if that means they were shut down after the Astros stuff, or if they were shut down at some point previously. Maybe it happened a few weeks ago, when Pittsburgh insisted on Gleyber Torres. I like to think it played out like this:

Pirates: “Leak that we have a deal with the Astros so the Yankees include Gleyber.”
Yankees: “Those jerks. Leak that we’re shutting down talks to kill their leverage with the Astros.”

All of this is posturing, of course. Are the Yankees still interested in Cole? Yes. Are the Astros still interested in Cole? Also yes. Do the Pirates want to trade Cole? Probably not, but they realize they won’t be able to sign him long-term, so a trade is the next logic step. A lot has happened lately and yet nothing has really changed.

The Yankees have five starters for five spots at the moment, and because of that, I don’t see them rushing into anything. They’re not going to be spooked by reports of their top target possibly going elsewhere, and they won’t be pressured into upping their offer. Brian Cashman has done a pretty excellent of job being patient and making deals on his terms the last few years. I don’t see that changing.

If anything, this morning’s Astros-Cole stuff is a reminder the Yankees are not the only fish in the sea. Even with his down season, Cole is a very talented and in-demand pitcher, and another team can swoop in with a quality offer at some point. That’s a risk the Yankees are apparently willing to take, that being patient could mean missing out.

Filed Under: Hot Stove League Tagged With: Gerrit Cole, Houston Astros, Pittsburgh Pirates

Update: Astros, Pirates not finalizing Gerrit Cole trade

January 10, 2018 by Mike Leave a Comment

(Dilip Vishwanat/Getty)

1:10pm ET: Jeff Passan says there is “no deal” and this is a “false rumor.” Maybe the Pirates leaked the rumor to try to get Brian Cashman to panic include Gleyber in a trade package? That’d be kinda funny.

12:09pm ET: Looks like we can cross one pitching trade target off the Yankees’ list.

According to Jon Morosi and Ken Rosenthal, the Astros and Pirates are close to a trade sending Gerrit Cole to Houston. There’s no word on the return yet, though I imagine it’ll be a package of prospects. Here is MLB.com’s top 30 Astros prospects list, if you want to skim that.

The Yankees have been connected to Cole for weeks, and at one point it seemed the two sides were inching closer to a trade. That didn’t happen, obviously. The Yankees tried to build a trade package around Clint Frazier, but the Pirates reportedly insisted on Gleyber Torres, which was a sticking point.

As I said a few weeks ago, I wasn’t super hot on Cole as a trade target. He’s obviously talented, but he’s been trending in the wrong direction the last two years, and I’ve grown tired of the “better stuff than results” profile. If the Yankees are going to trade a big prospect package, I’d prefer someone they don’t have to fix, you know?

In addition to Cole, the Yankees have also been connected to other young-ish starters like Michael Fulmer, Chris Archer, and Patrick Corbin this offseason. They even made offers for Fulmer and Archer at some point. I don’t think it was Cole or bust. They’re going to keep looking for another starter. That’s what they do.

The Yankees have five starters (Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, Sonny Gray, CC Sabathia, Jordan Montgomery) for five rotation spots at the moment, so they’re not desperate for a starter. They figure to sit back and see if anything falls into their laps before Spring Training.

Filed Under: Hot Stove League, Other Teams Tagged With: Gerrit Cole, Houston Astros, Pittsburgh Pirates

Why the Yankees finding another starter isn’t a luxury but a necessity

January 2, 2018 by Steven Tydings Leave a Comment

Gerrit Cole (Kirk Irwin/Getty Images)

For all intents and purposes, the Yankees have 1-2 holes left on their roster: Second and third base. It’s easy to see Gleyber Torres taking one of those spots by May 1, if not Opening Day, hence why it’s 1-2 holes and not a firm two. How they fill that last hole could be creative or it could be as simple as sticking Ronald Torreyes there until a younger, more talented option emerges.

Yet day after day, the Yankees are tied to starting pitchers. Gerrit Cole, Michael Fulmer, Chris Archer, Patrick Corbin, etc. Heck, even Yu Darvish, a pitcher who appeared (or still appears) to be wildly outside the Yankees’ budget-conscious price range this offseason. Part of these constant rumors may be to drive up the price for fellow contenders, but I have a feeling it goes beyond just that.

While an optimist would say that the Yankees are already set in the rotation, I’m here to advise you otherwise. Finding another starter — whether in free agency, a trade or otherwise — is not a luxury, but a necessity.

Why do the Yankees need another starting pitcher? After all, they retained both potential free agent losses with Masahiro Tanaka and CC Sabathia. They acquired Sonny Gray in part due to his remaining control years. Luis Severino and Jordan Montgomery earned spots in the 2018 rotation with their superb 2017s.

But each of those five pitchers comes with significant question marks. Perpetual knee issues or partially torn UCLs for some and 2017 workloads well past their career-highs for others. If there’s an argument for how the 2018 Yankees are worse than the 2017 Yankees, it starts with things going wrong health-wise in the rotation. The scary thing is that rotation-based argument is easy to make.

Just like each of the pitchers in the Yankees’ rotation, there are flaws with each of the available pitchers. Gerrit Cole couldn’t avoid home runs in 2017 and has only one ace-like season, yet the Pirates are asking (as they should) for the moon in exchange. Michael Fulmer comes with more control, but perhaps even more in return and he did just crater in the 2017 second half. Free agents like Darvish and Arrieta are on the wrong side of 30 with big money demands.

The Yankees could very well determine that their best option for that sixth starter already lies in house. That’s valid. Watching what Chad Green’s done in 114 MLB innings makes you wonder how well he can do in a swingman role and perhaps 20 starts next year. Having a packed and reliable bullpen already makes a transition to the rotation possible for Green.

And the Yankees’ farm system is filled with intriguing arms that could be MLB ready. Chance Adams, Justus Sheffield, Domingos German and Acevedo. One of those guys could break through and provide the starts that will be necessary beyond the Yanks’ top five guys.

Maybe the World Series would go better for Yu in pinstripes (Harry How/Getty)

The team doesn’t need to go out and spend big on Darvish or trade top-end prospects for Cole. That’s not what I am implying. In fact, the Opening Day and playoff rotations may already be set in the Bronx and going big on the trade or free agent market may be a misallocation of resources for a team that still has a need on the infield.

Making either one of those moves would put the Yankees more firmly ahead of Boston in the AL East arms race and give them another weapon to match Cleveland and Houston come playoff time. It would answer a lot of questions that exist about the team as currently constituted and would allow them to ease the workloads of Severino, Montgomery or anyone they deem necessary to protect.

Like with the Giancarlo Stanton deal, the free agent market may move in the Yankees’ favor. That’s much less likely with the trade market: The Tigers, Pirates and others can wait for a more desperate team in July or even 2019. But no free agent has received a deal of more than three years this offseason and an unforeseen bargain may be out there in February.

The solution to their pitching concerns may indeed exist within the organization already and that’s why it’s not worth panicking if they don’t make a move. But when the Yankees are tied to starting pitchers for the next few months, don’t scoff. There is a need on the roster and whether it can be filled in-house remains to be seen.

Filed Under: Pitching Tagged With: Gerrit Cole, Yu Darvish

Reports: Yankees, Pirates inching closer to Gerrit Cole trade

December 22, 2017 by Mike Leave a Comment

(Joe Sargent/Getty)
(Joe Sargent/Getty)

Friday (10:33am ET): Momentum toward a trade may have been overstated last night, report Heyman and Feinsand. The two sides are talking, but nothing is imminent.

Thursday (11:43pm ET): According to multiple reports, the Yankees and Pirates are inching closer to a Gerrit Cole trade. It does not appear a trade is imminent, but earlier Thursday we heard talks had cooled, and apparently now they’ve fired back up. The Yankees have been connected to Cole, their 2008 first round pick, since the Winter Meetings last week.

Here’s what we know about the renewed Cole trade talks:

  • The Pirates are “highly motivated” to trade Cole and he could be dealt within the next week, either to the Yankees or somewhere else. Hmmm. [Jeff Passan]
  • The Yankees want to build a trade around Clint Frazier while the Pirates continue to push for Gleyber Torres. I’d be very surprised if the Yankees trade Gleyber. [Jon Heyman, Mark Feinsand]
  • It’s possible the deal could be expanded to include infielder Josh Harrison. Also, in addition to Torres and Frazier, the Pirates have interest in Miguel Andujar and Chance Adams. [George King]

Cole, 27, is under team control as an arbitration-eligible player in 2018 and 2019. He had a 4.26 ERA (4.08 FIP) with 23.1% strikeouts and 6.5% walks in 203 innings this season, making it his worst MLB season. Cole allowed 31 homers in 2017 after allowing 34 homers total from 2013-16.

I said pretty much all I had to say about Cole earlier this week. I am on board with adding another starter but I don’t love the idea of trading Frazier for Cole, who has been decidedly average the last two years. Can he be better than average? Of course! Cole can be an ace. He has that potential. But he’s gone backwards the last few years and that worries me.

Filed Under: Hot Stove League Tagged With: Chance Adams, Clint Frazier, Gerrit Cole, Gleyber Torres, Josh Harrison, Miguel Andujar, Pittsbugh Pirates

Hot Stove Notes: Ellsbury, Corbin, Cole, Torres

December 21, 2017 by Mike Leave a Comment

(David Maxwell/Getty)
Ellsbury. (David Maxwell/Getty)

The offseason has been moving pretty slow overall, and things figure to slow down even more with the holidays right around the corner. Boring! Anyway, earlier today we heard the Yankees still have some interest in Yu Darvish. Here are some other miscellaneous hot stove notes.

Ellsbury might consider waiving no-trade clause

Jacoby Ellsbury might consider waiving his no-trade clause for “a select few teams,” reports Jon Heyman. The Giants could be one of those few teams. San Francisco needs a center fielder and leadoff hitter after including Denard Span in the Evan Longoria trade, and they wouldn’t have to give up much to get Ellsbury. Just some salary relief. Ellsbury has a home in Arizona, where the Giants hold Spring Training.

A few weeks ago it was reported Ellsbury wants to remain with the Yankees, though who knows whether that is true. He could be setting the stage for requesting some form of compensation for waiving his no-trade clause. Right now Ellsbury is essentially the fourth outfielder, assuming Brett Gardner, Aaron Hicks, Aaron Judge, and Giancarlo Stanton occupy the three outfield spots and the DH spot on any given day. Going to the Giants, who were terrible in 2017 but can at least create the illusion of contending in 2018, might appeal to Ellsbury.

Yankees “digging into” background on Corbin

According to Buster Olney, the Yankees have been “digging into” background and scouting info on Diamondbacks lefty Patrick Corbin, which I take to mean they’re doing more than the usual due diligence. And of course I could be completely wrong. Probably am. The Yankees were first connected to Corbin during the Winter Meetings last week. He’s an impending free agent and projected to make $8.3M in 2018.

I said this the other day, but I am a Corbin fan, at least in the sense that I would rather the Yankees trade for him than pay big for someone like Danny Duffy or Gerrit Cole. A southpaw with a 21.6% strikeout rate and a 50.4% ground ball rate would fit well in Yankee Stadium, in theory. I’m not sure whether Arizona is willing to trade him — they’d have to sign a replacement or roll with rookie lefty Anthony Banda — but if they are, he’s my preferred non-Michael Fulmer target.

Cole talks have cooled

Talks with the Pirates about Cole have “cooled” since the Winter Meetings, reports Ken Rosenthal. I had a feeling this was coming. Pittsburgh figured to seek a massive haul for their ace and the former No. 1 overall pick, and the Yankees these days aren’t about paying big for anyone. Their current M.O. is buying low or waiting out the market until something falls into their lap. Hard to think that’ll happen with Cole.

Also, don’t underestimate the impact of the CC Sabathia re-signing on trade talks. The Yankees have five starters now. They’re not desperate for anything. They can afford to sit back, see how the starting pitcher market shakes out (both free agents and trade candidates) in the coming weeks, then act accordingly in January or even February. If there are bargains to be had in free agency, great. If some team wants to trade a starter to clear payroll or whatever, that’s great too. The Yankees are the opposite of desperate right now. It’s pretty cool.

Pirates wanted Torres for Cole

Cole. (Justin Berl/Getty)
Cole. (Justin Berl/Getty)

Not surprisingly, the Pirates wanted Gleyber Torres in a potential Cole trade, according to Heyman. Of course they did. Pirates GM Neal Huntington wouldn’t be doing his job if he didn’t ask for Gleyber. Cole is their franchise pitcher. I would’ve asked for Torres if I were the Pirates. You never know when you’ll get Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano. It doesn’t hurt to ask.

My guess is the Pirates will continue to have a high asking price for Cole and that’s cool. They should. But because of that, I don’t think the Yankees will be able to swing a trade, even by dangling Clint Frazier, who I have to think is generating a barrage of trade inquiries. I suppose the good news is there are way more pitching options out there aside from Cole, including some who are as good if not better, so the Yankees aren’t locked into talking to the Pirates. They can shift focus elsewhere.

Yankees prefer Torres at second base

Speaking of Torres, Jack Curry says the majority of the Yankees’ decision makers believe Gleyber is a better fit at second base than third base long-term. He is said to be more comfortable at the keystone. I don’t think this means the Yankees are unwilling to play Torres at third base if necessary. If a trade for a quality second baseman falls into their lap, they won’t pass it up. They just prefer him at second.

Given his defensive chops, Gleyber would provide more value at second base, the up-the-middle position. That isn’t to say his defensive ability would be wasted at the hot corner. Manny Machado and Alex Bregman are natural shortstops and their defense certainly isn’t going to waste at third. Ideally Torres would play shortstop, but with Didi Gregorius going nowhere, second base is the next best spot. The Starlin Castro trade opened up the position long-term for Gleyber.

Filed Under: Hot Stove League Tagged With: Gerrit Cole, Gleyber Torres, Jacoby Ellsbury, Patrick Corbin, Pittsburgh, San Francisco Giants

Assessing Trade Targets

December 17, 2017 by Matt Imbrogno Leave a Comment

Cole. (Dilip Vishwanat/Getty)
Cole. (Dilip Vishwanat/Getty)

Stop me if you’ve heard this before, but the Yankees are looking for pitching. It’s shocking, I know, but it’s going on. Even though they ‘found’ a pitcher yesterday by re-signing CC Sabathia to a one year, $10 million contract, it’s unlikely that they’ll just settle in with what they have. Sure, a rotation of Luis Severino, Masahiro Tanaka, Sonny Gray, Sabathia, and Jordan Montgomery is solid, but that doesn’t mean they can’t and won’t add to it. We’ve seen the Yankees connected to free agent Alex Cobb a bunch of times this offseason. However, most of the buzz around the Yankees and pitching seems to be concentrated around the trade rumor mill.

Over the past two weeks or so, the Yankees have been linked to no fewer than four starting pitchers in trade rumors. One is division rival Chris Archer of the Rays. Another, also in the AL is Tigers’ starter and 2016 AL Rookie of the Year, Michael Fulmer. The other two hail from the National League–Gerrit Cole of the Pirates, the Yankees’ first round draft pick in 2008, and Patrick Corbin off the Diamondbacks (who became an absolute monster in one iteration of franchise mode in The Show for me many moons ago).

When considering a trade, we’ve got a multitude of factors to weigh, but they can be boiled down to three fundamental categories: cost, control, and performance.

Cost operates on two fronts: How much money and how many players will it take to get your target? Control considers the player’s current contract and that/those of the player(s) you’re giving up. And performance deals, of course, with whether or not the guy is any good or has done well. All three categories can and will intersect when evaluating whether or not to make a trade.

To bring work home with me even more than an English teacher already does, I developed a quick rubric of sors to judge each trade candidate using the aforementioned fundamental categories.

 

Category/Score 3 2 1
Cost $ Low $ Medium $ High $
Cost player Low player Medium player High player
Control 3+ years beyond 2018 1-2 years beyond 2018 Impending free agent
Performance High performance consistently AND recently Some inconsistencies, may be a rebound/regression candidate Consistently poor performance

For the acquiring team, you obviously want the cost to be low and the control and performance to each be high. The better that combination, the more desirable the trade target. Let’s use Giancarlo Stanton as a test case or model to implement this rubric. We have hindsight here and in a vacuum, without the Marlins’ apparently dire financial situation, Stanton would be high on all three categories. He’s got a big contract for a long, long time, and just won NL MVP; in a “normal” world, he would’ve cost an arm, a leg, and then some. But, in reality, Stanton was acquired for a low player cost and even the big cost of his contract–which has him under control for a long time, a double-edged sword, perhaps–is somewhat mitigated by the Marlins kicking in $30 million. By any rubric or measure, this was a no brainer trade for the Yankees to make.

Let’s lead off by looking at Gerrit Cole, the pitcher most consistently linked to the Yankees recently. Cole is projected by MLBTR  to make $7.5 million in 2018. That’s not bad at all. Additionally, he’s also under control for 2018 and 2019. The former puts him at a 3 for Cost $ and a 2 for control. Not a bad start. The player cost is where we hit a bit of a bump or a snag. Yesterday, it got out that the Pirates were going to ask for Gleyber Torres in exchange for Cole, which is, uh, not gonna happen. Good for them for asking, but I’d sooner bet on the snowball in hell. Failing Torres, though, it’s likely the Pirates will then ask for Clint Frazier and more–Chance Adams, perhaps, and another lesser piece. At first blush, that seems to be the going rate for a pitcher of Cole’s reputation, so that could just be the cost of doing business, right? You’ve gotta give to get and all that, and if both sides are hurting, then the trade is probably good. But Cole seems to have more in the bank on reputation than on performance lately. He was downright elite in 2015 but then just sorta good in 2016–and hurt–and pretty meh overall in 2017. He had a big home run spike last year–his HR/FB% more than doubled from the year before–which could explain a lot. But when you’re poised to give up someone as talented as Clint Frazier and a potential league-minimum, back of the rotation guy in Chance Adams, AND another piece, I’d want something more than a guy who’s pretty much the definition of a 2 on my rubric. The idea of Cole seems to be better than the reality.

(Brian Davidson/Getty Images)
(Brian Davidson/Getty Images)

Starting with the money, we get another manageable situation in Diamondbacks lefty Patrick Corbin. He’s projected to make $8.5 million. Another 3 in the Cost $ category. Where he loses out, though, is that this is his last year of team control and he’s a free agent at the end of the year. Big time 1 in the Control category. That would likely bring his player cost down, too, as would performance that was okay-ish in 2017 (4.03 ERA, 4.08 FIP), his second full year back from injury after missing all of 2014. 2016, by the way, was pretty ugly for Corbin (5.15 ERA, 4.84 FIP). What stands out is a garishly high HR/FB% of 15.8% last year; his career mark is 13.8%. Granted he plays in a homer friendly park, but that wouldn’t be likely to move down in Yankee Stadium and the AL East. If I’m feeling generous, I give him a 1.75 in the Performance category and probably a high 1, low 2 for player cost. Overall, I don’t think this one would be worth it unless that player cost dipped way down low.

Archer. (Presswire)
Archer. (Presswire)

Chris Archer is a pitcher who, on the face of things, passes every mark for a Yankee trade target. He’s got a good reputation and has spent his entire career in the AL East. Beyond that, he’s got a team friendly contract that has him making $6.25 million in 2018, $7.5 million in 2019, $9 million in 2020, and $11 million in 2021; the latter two are club options with buyouts of $1.75 million and $250, 000 respectively. That all makes for a fantastic mark in both Cost $ and Control. Unfortunately, that also means he’d likely be a 1 in Cost Player. Add on the fact that the Yankees would be trading with a division foe and you’re looking at a very steep cost. In terms of the Performance category, Archer is sort of in the same territory as Gerrit Cole; based on the way we think and talk about him, you’d think his stats would be a lot more glowing. While he hasn’t been bad by any real stretch, he’s failed to repeat the great season he had in 2015. A big home run spike in 2016 and 2017 is likely the cause of that. Still, he throws lots of innings (200+ the last three seasons), strikes out lots of guys, and doesn’t walk a ton of batters. Throw in that with the with the contract and this is someone who, unlike Cole, I could see giving up some top-flight talent for.

(Justin Edmonds/Getty)
(Justin Edmonds/Getty)

Michael Fulmer is about to start his third year of MLB service, so his first shot at arbitration won’t be until a year from now. Per Cot’s , Fulmer is also going to qualify for Super 2 status, meaning he’s got an extra year of arbitration, giving his team control of him through 2022. Hot damn. That’s a 3 and then some on the Control category. Even if he signed some sort of extension or contract, his mark in Cost $ is going to be a 3 pretty much no matter what. In terms of performance, Fulmer more or less repeated his ROY season, though with a lower strikeout rate. He kept up a big ground ball rate, though, and did a good job of keeping the ball in the park. That would probably change in moving from Comerica Park to Yankee Stadium, of course. Still, he’s got good control and command and keeps the ball on the ground; if you’re not going to strike people out, those two are the next best things. All this, though, of course means that Fulmer’s player cost is going to be sky high. The Tigers would be justified in asking anything–non-Torres division–in exchange for Fulmer. While there would be doubts in my mind about paying the player cost for Cole and some minor ones in paying the player cost for Archer, those more or less don’t apply to Fulmer. A young, supremely controlled pitcher with history of solid performance? Yep.

Given all this, my preferred order of acquisition would look like this:

Fulmer, followed by Archer, then a toss up between Corbin and Cole. While Cole is definitely the better pitcher, the cost for Corbin would likely be a lot lower, which evens them out a little bit. I’m not sure, obviously, what’s going to happen, but if the Yankees are going to go hard for one of these guys, it should be Fulmer. The farm system would take a hit and it would suck to say goodbye to someone as fun and cool as Clint Frazier, but Fulmer would make an immediate impact and a lasting one.

Filed Under: Musings Tagged With: Alex Cobb, CC Sabathia, Chris Archer, Clint Frazier, Gerrit Cole, Gleyber Torres, Michael Fulmer, Patrick Corbin

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